Enjoying a Laugh With Uecker

Pinch-hitting for T.S. O’Connell today in the Out of Left Field Blog is SCD’s Tom Bartsch:

It’s not often I can enjoy nearly six hours in a casino and have my
sides hurt not from second-hand smoke but from laughing so hard. And I
got to call it work at the same time.

In truth, it was pure
pleasure to be able to attend the Milwaukee Braves Historical
Association testimonial dinner that honored former Braves catcher and
current Milwaukee Brewers radio announcer Bob Uecker. The event was
held at the Potawatomi Bingo Casino in Milwaukee.

Among those in
attendance, in addition to the guest of honor, was Commissioner Bud
Selig, a long-time friend of Uecker’s and the person who brought Uecker
into the radio booth after a job as a scout didn’t go over so well.
Selig said in his introduction speech that when Uecker sent back a
scouting report covered with mash potatoes and gravy stains, perhaps a
different career was in order.

Other notables at the podium and
in the crowd were retired umpire Bruce Froemming, former Milwaukee
Sentinel writer Bud Lea, Johnny Logan, Andy Pafko, Felix Mantella,
Eddie Matthews’ son, former college basketball coach Rick Majerus, Ken
Sanders and Brewers general manager Doug Melvin.

With a
character like Uecker being honored, it was more about the stories than
his stellar playing career. When Uecker was sent down to the minors by
Braves manager Charlie Dressen in 1961, Dressen said, “There’s no room
in baseball for a clown.” Uecker shot back at the podium in his usual
deadpan manner, “I didn’t like Dressen. Not for the fact he sent me
down, I just didn’t like him.”

Uecker talked about the $3,000
signing bonus the Braves offered him to sign and how his dad couldn’t
come up with that kind of money. He spoke about damaging a tuba during
batting practice by shagging fly balls with it prior to a game in the
1964 World Series and how he had to pay for the damages. It was the
only action he saw on the field in that series.

But it was the
personal side you got to see of Uecker, obviously connected to staff
members, friends and former teammates, that was so much fun. Same goes
with the commish. The only time you see Selig is on TV defending drug
use in the game or possible labor disputes. To see the other side of
him and how appreciative the people of Wisconsin are toward him for
bringing baseball back to Milwaukee after the Braves left in 1965 was
sweet, for lack of a better term, regardless of your thoughts about his
leadership of baseball.

The former players were approachable,
cordial and you got a sense as to why he days of baseball past are so
cherished by the hobby and the readers of this magazine. Sign me up for
next year and this time give Uecker as much time as needed to explain
the story behind a picture of him seemingly trying to woo actress
Phyllis Diller.     

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38 thoughts on “Enjoying a Laugh With Uecker

  1. Dear TS,
    How come you are not covering the events going on in our hobby>

    Tom Tresh brought up an interesting question in a recent comment. Why are you not covering the super rare Mike King Kelly autographed baseball (book value of $55,000) or the Ed Delahanty cut autograph? I understand these are very rare finds and I notice you usually cover discovered treasures in SCD.

  2. T.S. on said:

    Hey smart aleck, I continue to cover the hobby daily. Unlike you! Thank you.

  3. BunchObull on said:

    TS has always been in the business of making money. Thats all he cares about! Thats why he proliferated unlicensed cards for so many years. He was making mad money while using liknesess and logos-and not paying for them.

  4. Chuck Ponzi on said:

    I get my laughs from browsing the monthly CCSA listings.

  5. Mike Sports Rings Is A Joke on said:

    Hey Mike –

    Why don’t you and Tom put your actions where your mouths are? If you are so concerned that there is a bad company is the industry, do something about it instead of posting on a message board.

    Contact the FBI and prove your point. Otherwise, you’re nothing but a phony.

    Are your rings real? If so, how do you know? Can you prove it? Hu?

  6. sports-rings.com on said:

    the rings I own are real – are you real? You can’t possibly be this stupid. Why are you egging me on? Why am I a phony?

  7. Mike Sports Rings Is A Joke on said:

    So Mike says the ring are real. Let’s all just simply believe him because he has spoken.

    How do we know they’re real, just because you said they are? Sounds kinda like any authenticator in the hobby, be it PSA, Spence, Morales, on and on. See my point?

    You seem to find joy in bashing a guy for simply trying to produce a newspaper. It is what it is…an interesting read for a us sports collectibles fans for under a buck a week.

    Why don’t you lead this charge…eliminate everything from the hobby you deem unacceptable. Or, is it easier to play big shot on a message board and criticize a guy day after day.

  8. Luvette Ward on said:

    If anybody is a joke it’s you. The debate is not about sports rings numb nuts! It’s about obvious forged autographs that CC keeps listing with false authenticators (MoralASS & company). Not one high item that CC has ever sold could have passed either PSA or JSA. NOT ONE!!!!!!!!! Don’t you see it? It is a conspiracy of CCSA (Ted Taylor), the fake ass "authenticators" (Chris MoralASS) and SCD (TS O’Connell). It is so obvious to EVERYONE!!!! My question is why the government is doing something about it. I am tired of these scumbags profiting millions each year by ripping off hard working people and poluting my hobby with trash!!!

  9. I am not selling rings, I buy them and collect them. Never once have I brought up the topic of rings in this section. The day I start selling them you are welcome to ask, or decide or declare whether they are real or not. Since I am not selling rings, the debate of if they are real or not is for another day. I would not be bashing the "guy" if he participated in this discussion. Did you read operation bullpen? Do you really know what is going on in our hobby? Since you are such a loyal reader of SCD, do you remember when they covered real stories instead of ignoring them because it could effect their advertising revenue? Do you remember the great story about bogus Farve jerseys? Operation bullpen? Long interviews with the authenicators? All I ask for is fair coverage? Is that so bad?

  10. Luvette Ward on said:

    I subscribed for years but had to stop in 1999. It was getting too bad. It is obvious TS profits big time by letting them stay there, turning his back and refusing to say anything about it. It is a real conspiracy. That’s the best word I can come up with.

  11. Tom Tresh on said:

    Mr. O’Connell, I see you deleted my two comments again; comments that were not malicious nor were they confrontational. I (and others) simply want to know why you wouldn’t be inquisitive about a Mike "King" Kelly autographed baseball that surfaced on the Coach’s Corner auction site. A unique item like that is as rare as a Beatles signed guitar. No one has ever seen one and I, for one, am curious about the provenance of that baseball. Also, I am not here to debate you about the authenticity of certain autographs on the Coach’s Corner auction site (leave that to us) we just want to know about your lack of interest in that particular rare item. We would really like to hear your thoughts on that item. Thank you.

  12. Mike Sports Rings Is A Joke on said:

    Luvette — You simply reinforced my point. You take it upon yourself to decide who is legit and who is not. Nice — you’re judge and jury. It you stopped subscribing, let it rest and move on to somebody you annoint has legit. Who would that be in this industry?

  13. Mike Sports Is A Joke on said:

    Mike — Of course you don’t bring up the topic of rings, because I proved my point and you chose to ignore it. You are quick to point out the perceived shortcomings of others, but when a question is asked if your rings are legit, you can’t answer.

    In regards to Operation Bullpen, you make valid points. My question would be why the company you’re referring to was not part of the results? I’m not qualified to pass judgement and neither is anybody else who posts here. Luvette would jump to the conclusion that not only is TS and Coach’s involved in a consipiracy, but so is the government. Maybe the United Nations is too? Maybe the dude from Iran also.

    As long as you are promoting your website, you do have something to gain, be it buying or selling. You’re no better and no worse than anybody else.

    I know what’s going on in the hobby — but do you? Where’s the squeaky clean Illinois based auction company that everybody annointed as being on the "good side of the fence"?

    Lead by example Mike — start an independent third party organization that puts structure in place within the hobby. Something like a seal of approval or an "Energy Star" symbol that regulates all authenticators and auction companies. Until this happens, the hobby will remain the wild, wild, west, regardless of how many times you choose to post on a message board and hold one guy accountable as having the ability to cure the world.

  14. Mike on said:

    I think you bring up some great points. You are right about my website, and going forward I will no longer mention it. The comment fields, when producing comments were set up for a home page and I put my web site in there. I should not have done this. You are also correct about rings – there are fake rings out there. I try to buy rings with original ring boxes and directly from players and front office personnel. While this is no guarantee that a ring could not be fake, it helps cut down on problems and I try to do the best I can when I buy rings. Again, until I sell rings, I don’t think this is relative to this discussion. I also like your point on the auction company from Illinois. They got off too easy and there was very little coverage of this story, or the new auction house that resulted from the former closing. I have no idea why cc was not part of operation bullpen, i can only hope the government will do something about them.

    While I apprecaite your offer and idea to start an independent 3rd party organization (and I think it’s a great idea), this is my hobby, not my career. I don’t have the time or the engergy. TS is not the only person being held accountable, but if he is not connected to CC, shouldn’t he be reporting on some of the stories we have been discussing?

  15. Kevin on said:

    I will never forget the HOF speech Bob Uecker gave when he was the Frick winner. I laughed so hard. The first time I ever heard him broadcast a game was while I was in the men’s room at County Stadium and they were broadcasting the game over speakers in the men’s room. How fitting! Now I can listen to him all the time with XM Radio. He is a real funny guy.

  16. O'Connell on said:

    Pay no attention to the man posting as "T.S." HE is the crazy impostor and I am the original and almighty O’Connell! Anyway, I would like to take a moment to say thank you to Mike the ring guy. You are a nutter sir, but you bring up some excellent points which I will be addressing in my next blog entry. For example, I will formally acknowledge my abduction by space aliens, which occurred last Tuesday as I was eating cold macaroni. More to come, dear flock.

  17. Jason H. on said:

    Mike,

    I’ll layoff mocking your name. I agree that a report on some of the high-end stories and items that you note above would be a good angle, especially a historical perspective of where an item was from, the rarity of something, how an item might have survived generations, provenance, etc. It could raise red flags if the history turned out to be too vague. But these stories would involve all auction houses. I wonder though if that might be a problem if an owner wishes to remain confidential.

    I will forever disagree with anybody that thinks the editor should do an in depth story on any one particular item because it was authenticated by person "Y" instead of person "Z" or because it sold for "X" amount of dollars, or because it was sold at a second tier auction. There is just too many variables to do so. And I doubt that any of us has the expertise and background to do so, even if they do post on youtube as a self-proclaimed expert.

    Have a good weekend.

  18. Luvette Ward on said:

    Who cares about if his rings are fake or real? Or that he had his email on there. Mike was NOT promoting himself or selling anything!! It doesn’t matter. The guy who writes mike is a joke is clearly somebody related to CC and SCD and is course profiting from hurting others. The guy who is writing here as o’conneell is a little kid who thinks he’s funny. Anybody can debate all vs Mike or Tom on CC and their scams and Mike and Tom would ALWAYS win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. Mike on said:

    Jason – I totally agree. Some of the authenticators have great reputations. But what the heck is going on at Coach’s corner? There auctions are bringing 10% for their auctions compared to the other major auction houses. Also, their Jeters, Mantles, Cobbs, and Ruths look different than the other auction houses. Coaches Corner never (or very rarely) has JSA or PSA authenticated items. ALthough in fairness, i believe their latest aucton had 1 – 2 steiner pieces. Don’t you find these things strange? And what about the fact that they have two very rare items this month and consistenly come up with items that other auction houses can’t get, yet sell these super rare items for much less money. If you were a consigner would you honestly use Coach’s Corner or a different auction house to sell your items?

  20. Luvette Ward on said:

    I never did say the U.S. government is involved moron. I just wonder sometimes because it is so OBVIOUS to everyone why haven’t the FBI gotten involved with arrested the GROUP of scumbags that forge these items, sell them and know about it-but turn their back and keep silent!!

  21. Tom Tresh on said:

    Jason,

    I can appreciate your comments. But certain people have gotten very upset when the status quo has been shaken. I’ve been writing about forgeries for a long time because it is a subject that must be written about. Then when YouTube arrived I knew it would be an elevated forum to bring these subjects to video. But for a editor/writer of a hobby magazine to not want to write about an extraordinary "find" like that Mike "King" Kelly autographed baseball is puzzling. It’s also "incredible" that it surfaced on the Coach’s Corner auction site. Or that Ed Delahanty cut autograph. Do you realize that if Upper Deck had a "Ed Delahanty 1/1 Cut Autograph" the amount of money that it would sell for. Not to mention, that would be one heckuva card to chase. So why as of May 15, 2009 why is the bidding at a paltry $43.00? It’s about time that a lot of the crap in the hobby be exposed. How soon we forget (or conveniently ignore) Operation Bullpen.

  22. Luvette Ward on said:

    Tom-I got a chance to see a couple of your videos just now and they are great! You really call out some of the scumbags doing this with adding a little humor as well. You should have your own TV show.

    Jason H-Tom makes a good point in one of his videos. If these high end, rare items that coach’s corner has up EVERY frickin month are indeed real- Then why aren’t the serious collectors with big bucks bidding on them? I would love to hear you answer to that sir. I can give you the correct one right now- Because they KNOW 100% it’s fake!

    Mike-I work in the LE in Illinois and help with a bust in 1998 in the chicagoland area that included THOUSANDS of Michael Jordan and Chicago Bulls "autographed" items. I am a Jordan expert and have been following CC for years. In that time, only 2 have been real and they were Upper Deck cert. EVERY LAST ONE besides those 2 were indeed forged. Look at there current auction and there are several fake Jordans that aren’t even close. Most on Ebay are also forged, but thats another topic. What I trying to tell you is that of course CC is going to throw in an occasional UD, PSA or JSA, or Field of Dreams item to make it look good. They do this on purpose and is sneaky. The fact remains—EVERY high end item (the countless Ruths, Gehrigs and Cobbs) they have ever sold has been fake!!!

  23. Jason H. on said:

    Mike / Tom

    Both your comments are very valid and express views that I can agree with.
    I guess my thinking is that there are ways that a fake could be exposed through the same way any large notable item is promoted and discussed in the hobby. Starting what I preceived as a witch hunt and bashing one person just does not sit right with me. Tom, the Mike Kelly autograph you noted is a good example. On your point of card companies and an autograph cut….just because a large card company has a reputable name on a product does not mean it is legit, at least in my mind.

    Maybe TS could contact the auction house about their most prominent items and do a historical perspective. To me, a good story about where an item "lived" for the past 40 year is an interesting read.

    Thanks

  24. Jason H. on said:

    Luvette,

    I figured you would respond that I am part of the conspiracy. Add me to the list!

    If anybody has a link to their website they are absolutely promoting themselves. While the original intent may not be for true promotional reasons, it is promotion none the less. Read the other posts and you’ll see that we’ve already discussed it.

    You obviously choose to either ignore my view or you simply don’t get it. And your most recent post ONCE AGAIN reinforces my position. You state that you are a "Michael Jordan expert". According to who? Please post those credentials here for all to see. Or, if you don’t have credentials, please just post those people who endorsed you as an "expert". My bet is that it is a self-proclamation, just like 100% of the authentiators in this business.

    Unless a person PERSONALLY WITNESSES an autograph signed IN PERSON, and is happy with that satisfaction for their own person collection, the best any person or company can do is provide an opinion. The key is OPINION!!! However, because you’re an expert, you must be the exception.

    I’ll ask you the question — Lead by example — start an independent third party organization that puts structure in place within the hobby. Something like a seal of approval or an "Energy Star" symbol that regulates all authenticators and auction companies. Until this happens, the hobby will remain the wild, wild, west, regardless of how many times you choose to post on a message board and hold one guy accountable as having the ability to cure the world.

    And I trust that you’re putting the screws to eBay too. I’d appreciate you posting those message board links to so that all of us can better understand an expert’s view.

  25. Tom Tresh on said:

    Jason,

    Again, I can appreciate your comments. Before I started up my videos I was always getting on Ebay about the forgeries on their auction. If you look at any auction on Ebay there is a "Report An Item" option. I use that option to report various forgeries on Ebay (the report goes through a process) and 99.9% of what I report gets removed. But "Coach’s Corner" is not Ebay. Ebay sells everything from A-Z. CC promotes themselves as the "Premier Sports Auction Site" and brag about their "decades of breathing and living the hobby" and yet their own "Stat Authentication" can’t differentiate a true autograph from a whole in the wall. Look at all of the fake Jeters, Mantles, Ruths, etc. on the CC auction site right ow. If they were concerned about the integrity of the hobby that junk would have been filtered out and not allowed to go up for bidding. The majority are obvious fakes. That Lot Number 1 (Babe Ruth signed baseball) is all wrong. CC claims the BV is $22,000 and yet as of this writing the bid is only up to $1,737.00. Real collectors would be jumping at that Ruth ball (with its white, bright baseball and bold autograph) but they aren’t. And there’s a reason why they aren’t. Or Lot Number 17 a Lou Gehrig signed baseball bat!!! Think of this! A game-used (not autographed) Lou Gehrig bat from that era would go for tens of thousands of dollars. But there on the CC auction is a autographed Lou Gehrig autographed bat and the bidding is only up to $317.00!!!! What does that tell you!!! They (CC) the BV on the King Kelly autographed baseball is $55.000.00 and yet the bidding is still under $1,000.00!! Geez!

  26. Luvette on said:

    Jason, read carefully s.l.o.w.l.y. what I said. I said you must have ties to CC or STAT or SCD, that is why you act the way you do. Nobody can be that dumb to believe CC is legit. You still haven’t answered any questions thrown at you.

  27. Jason H. on said:

    Luvette,

    Have you answered any question thrown at you? This conversation goes both ways, correct? I’ve reviewed all posts and will attempt to reply to each question that seems to be directed to me. My responses are below in bold type.

    Friday May 15th – Mike asks me…Why are you egging me on? Why am I a phony? My response – I WAS EGGING HIM ON AND REFERRING TO HIM AS A PHONY BECAUSE I WAS ATTEMPTING TO POINT OUT THAT, WHILE PEOPLE MAY HAVE EDUCATED GUESSES AND OPINIONS, THEY ARE TYPICALLY NOT 100% SURE ON AN ITEMS AUTHENTICITY, AND THAT BASHING ONE EDITOR WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

    Friday May 15th – Mike asks me…Did you read operation bullpen? – YES
    Do you really know what is going on in our hobby? – I WOULD LIKE TO THINK SO, BUT I’M NOT AN "EXPERT". Since you are such a loyal reader of SCD, do you remember when they covered real stories instead of ignoring them because it could effect their advertising revenue? – YES, ALTHOUGH THE PHRASE "REAL STORIES" IS BASED ON ONE’S PERCEPTION AND COULD BE INFERRING THAT THE CURENT STOREIES ARE NOT REAL. I DISAGREE WITH THAT. Do you remember the great story about bogus Farve jerseys? – YES Operation bullpen? – YES Long interviews with the authenicators? – YES Is that so bad? – NO

    Saturday May 16th – Luvette asks me…Who cares about if his rings are fake or real? – I DO.

    Saturday May 16th – Mike asks me…But what the heck is going on at Coach’s Corner? – Don’t you find these things strange? – YES, THEY ARE DEFINITELY STRANGE. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON’T FOLLOW EACH ITEM CLOSELY ENOUGH TO DETERIMINE IF ANY PARTICULAR ITEM IS PRICED ACCORDINGLY. If you were a consigner would you honestly use Coach’s Corner or a different auction house to sell your items? – I WOULD NOT USE COACH’S, NOR WOULD I USE ANY OTHER SECOND TIER AUCTION COMPANY. I WOULD USE HERTIAGE DUE TO THEIR HISTORY, MARKETING REACH, ETC.

    Saturday May 16th – Tom asks me…Do you realize that if Upper Deck had a "Ed Delahanty 1/1 Cut Autograph" the amount of money that it would sell for – I TRULY DO NOT KNOW WHAT AN UPPER DECK ITEM LIKE THIS WOULD SELL FOR, NOR DOES ANYBODY ELSE, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. So why as of May 15, 2009 why is the bidding at a paltry $43.00? – AS I STATED ABOVE, I DON’T FOLLOW EACH INDIVIDUAL CLOSELY IN ORDER TO KNOW IF A CURRENT BID PRICE IS TOO HIGH, TOO LOW, OR BIDDED PROPERLY. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE TOM DOES, SO I’LL RESPECT HIS DETERMINATION AND STATE THAT IT QUITE POSSIBLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PERCEPTION OF COACH’S

    Saturday May 16th – Luvette asks me… If these high end, rare items that coach’s corner has up EVERY frickin month are indeed real- Then why aren’t the serious collectors with big bucks bidding on them? BY SERIOUS COLLECTORS, I’LL ASSUME THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES TO BUY AS INVESTMENTS. MY RESPONSE TO THIS QUESTION WOULD BE IDENTIAL TO MY RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION DIRECTLY ABOVE IN REGARD SO THE CURRENT $43.00 BID.

    I think I’ve answered everything Luvette. If I’m missing something, please let me know. Now, your turn to answer my inquiries. You seem to have missed these when I asked them of you, so please read these carefully and s.l.o.w.l.y so that you don’t miss them.

    1) If you stopped subscribing, let it rest and move on to somebody you
    annoint has legit. Who would that be in this industry?

    2) You state that you are a "Michael Jordan expert". According to who? Please post those credentials here for all to see. Or, if you don’t have credentials, please just post those people who endorsed you as an "expert".

    3) I’ll ask you the question — Lead by example — start an independent third party organization that puts structure in place within the hobby. Something like a seal of approval or an "Energy Star" symbol that regulates all authenticators and auction companies. Until this happens, the hobby will remain the wild, wild, west, regardless of how many times you choose to post on a message board and hold one guy accountable as having the ability to cure the world.

    4) And I trust that you’re putting the screws to eBay too. I’d appreciate you posting those message board links to so that all of us can better understand an expert’s view.

    Do you care to respond as honestly as I have Luvette? I’m particullary interested in your reference to you being an "expert". Nobody can be dumb enough to annoint themselves an expert, right Luvette?

  28. John Kaanan on said:

    It’s an opinion based business. The reason why STAT and Morales are alive is that because they are techincally not doing anything wrong. After all, isn’t that what JSA and PSA/DNA are doing? Opinions? It’s mostly about common sense. You talk about Michael Jordan. He is an IMPOSSIBLE signature to obtain for free outside of a handful of golf tournaments. He has a contract with Upper Deck. Look at auction houses that AREN’T Coach’s Corner and you won’t see anything that doesn’t come certified with a UDA LOA. So how does Coach’s Corner have quantities of this stuff, as well as Tiger Woods, Barack Obama, Muhammad Ali and anyone under the sun. Look at the stuff that Coach’s has that is signed by Obama. IT’S FUNNY AS HELL! The hobby is the wild, wild, wild west, but it’s due in part because of stupid consumers, the law not taking an interest in this and of course a periodical who help allow this to continue.

    JK

  29. Jason H. on said:

    John,

    You have very accurately described what my entire point is in the ongoing conversation.

    While SCD may be running ads for the auction house in question, it is much, much larger than than that. If SCD were to stop accepting ads from Coach’s today, the problems would continue to be enormous. A lot of it is driven by pure human greed.

    Thank you.

  30. Mike on said:

    I just want to say thanks for such an intelligent group of threads. Looks like a bunch of us are asking serious questions and trying to answer them as honestly as possible. Thanks TS for allowing the discussions to continue. I realize that some of you may have been annoyed at my self-promotion and you helped me realize that I should not have done that and I won’t going forward.

    Hopefully we can continue this discussion and others in the weeks to come.

    thanks again everyone!

    Mike

  31. Jason H. on said:

    Mike,

    Just to clarify…I really didn’t think we were intending to self-promote. I just find it very frustrating to have so many uncontrollable intangibles within the hobby and I really don’t think one person can solve it. I felt that TS was taking the brunt of something that is a much larger problem.

    I really can’t have any faith in any item that I don’t personally see signed. There was (and is) too much crap in this hobby.

    Hope you have a good week.

  32. Jason H. on said:

    Mike,

    Sorry…that should ready "I really didn’t think you were intending to self-promote.

    Thanks!

  33. Jason H. on said:

    Mike,

    Sorry…that should read "I really didn’t think you were intending to self-promote".

    Thanks!

  34. Mike on said:

    Jason

    getting autographs in person is a fun experience and I’m sure there are many in the hobby who love to do acquire autographs that way. But what about all the other collectibles such as a Babe Ruth game bat or a Gherig Jersey? Or rings? of a 500th home run ball? this industry is a mess! SCD in he past has done some great stories to help us collectors understand the hobby better. I hope they remember what they once were and can find their way back.

  35. T.Vetger on said:

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many comments before! Wow, lot of reading. There really is no way to "witness" every autograph if someone is a collector. There is such a thing as experts on signatures and those people are wrong sometimes, but rarely.

  36. Luvette on said:

    Jason, You just said you really don’t follow the CC auctions and what we were talking about too closely. I am considered one of the top 3 Jordan experts in the country and even worked with Mr.Jordan in March 1998 during the time of the initail bust. I have only gotten 2 Jordan signatures wrong before. One was a very sloppy, rushed vintage auto I deemed fraud which was actually real. I am afraid however to post some proof and pics as I might be blamed for promoting myself. Even though I don’t work in the field professional full time, it still remains a hobby. Take all 86 Jordan auto items right now on CC Mays site. Send them to both PSA and JSA. All 86, will come back with the same conclusion as I have. NOT GENUINE!!!

  37. Jason H. on said:

    Luvette,

    You failed to answer questions for a second time. Please see my inquiries below and respond accordingly.

    1) If you stopped subscribing, let it rest and move on to somebody you
    annoint has legit. Who would that be in this industry?

    2) You state that you are a "Michael Jordan expert". According to who? Please post those credentials here for all to see. Or, if you don’t have credentials, please just post those people who endorsed you as an "expert".

    3) I’ll ask you the question — Lead by example — start an independent third party organization that puts structure in place within the hobby. Something like a seal of approval or an "Energy Star" symbol that regulates all authenticators and auction companies. Until this happens, the hobby will remain the wild, wild, west, regardless of how many times you choose to post on a message board and hold one guy accountable as having the ability to cure the world.

    4) And I trust that you’re putting the screws to eBay too. I’d appreciate you posting those message board links to so that all of us can better understand an expert’s view.

  38. Luvette on said:

    Jason
    1. I stopped subscribing for several reasons. One, SCD not doing anything about CC. Two, SCD became too many advertisements and very little engaging articles. The internet started up and became a place for hobby news. SCD isn’t the only place and judging by the current issue I saw on news stands, it might be 25 pages!!

    2. I am an expert and do have solid proof. Even if I don’t make a full time living off it anymore, it still doesn’t make me any les an expert. Many people have called me that including Mr.Jordan himself when we worked with him for over 5 hours on March 7, 1998. I have a video and pics of that day to prove it. Again, I’m afraid to post those as I might be blamed for "promoting" myself.

    3. I don’t have the time to start my own 3rd business sir.

    4. I have contacting Ebay before about shutting down items I know where bad. I can’t control everything. I’m not blaming ONE man. However Mr.O’Connell is one of MANY who KNOW what they are DOING is WRONG and continue to do it for a profit. Mr Morales knows the items he writes certs for are fraud and CC auctions know they are too. THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT HURTING PEOPLE!!! THE PROFIT LITERALLY $$$$MILLIONS$$$$ EACH YEAR!!!!

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